Meat – Why is the meat still tough after hours of cooking
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I have been cooking this meat
in 200-250f for hours. But its still very tough. It doesnt stand the fork test.
Why? Could it be because the collagen needs lower temperatures to break down?
Best Answer
When you're cooking something like a steak, or a prime rib roast and aim for a cooking temperature of say 135ish, you want it to be medium rare. The goal isn't to break anything down. Collagen starts to break down slowly above 160F, and will melt much more rapidly closer to 180F.
Further more, iff you have any cut of meat that requires breakdown of collagen, measuring the temperature is an insufficient indicator of done-ness.
. Collagen breakdown is a function of temperature and time. The lower the temperature, the longer it takes to break down, but it will still eventually break down. This is what makes tenderizing a brisket in a 155°F water bath possible, given enough time.
Taken from this article on Serious Eats: The Food Lab
Taking a look at a random sampling of short rib recipes (I'm assuming that's what you have), at 300-350F, cooking times are in the 3-4 hour mark. At 200-250F, I'd expect much longer.
The answer depends on the type of cut. If you have a tender cut of meat then there's no reason to cook it any longer than then desired doneness. If you are using a tough cut then there's lots of collagen that needs to be broken down, and that requires moisture and time. You want to cook it until all the collagen is broken down as that will make the meat tender. That may take 2 hours, it may take 6, it depends on the cut and the thickness.
I have a similar experience with my slow cooker, it goes way too fast. To get around this I've ended up putting in big chunks of meat and veggies because anything else is completely nuked after 8 hours! I've also thought about using a light timer to have it start 3 hours after I leave home.
I was unable to find information that might tell what happened to your dish, but found some extremely interesting and detailed sources of information on collagen and gelatin which I think are worth sharing.
I did find that the pH is unlikely to be the major contributing factor, as there are both acid and alkaline processes for gelatin formation--see the Science of Cooking, Gelatin.co.za, and Hydrolization references below.
Since you have read On Food and Cooking, you almost certainly already know the basics of what affects the conversion rate. To paraphrase one of the articles, it is a high energy stochastic process so:
Gelatin conversion is time and temperature dependent, with higher temperaturs permitting faster conversion
Requires the presence of water, as it is a hydrolization of the denaturing collagen proteins
Of course, it sounds like by braising for hours, you have met these basic criteria.
Gizmodo article on duck confit, with really nice scientific introduction for someone not already familiar with the topic. No references.
Science of Cooking suggests that acid actually aids in the process by breaking covalent links. Has references to more sources. Nicely balanced on the science without being impenetrable to the layperson.
http://www.gelatin.co.za/gltn1.html indicates there are forms of gelatin from both acid and alkaline environments, so the pH of the cooking medium was probably not the major contributing factor. Extremely detailed including information on chemistry. Has extensive references to primary sources, but no description of the site itself.
Best Answer
When you're cooking something like a steak, or a prime rib roast and aim for a cooking temperature of say 135ish, you want it to be medium rare. The goal isn't to break anything down. Collagen starts to break down slowly above 160F, and will melt much more rapidly closer to 180F.
Further more, iff you have any cut of meat that requires breakdown of collagen, measuring the temperature is an insufficient indicator of done-ness.
Taking a look at a random sampling of short rib recipes (I'm assuming that's what you have), at 300-350F, cooking times are in the 3-4 hour mark. At 200-250F, I'd expect much longer.