Concrete – How to handle a transition from concrete to dirt underneath a flagstone patio

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I had a pool installed a few years ago and the builder threw in a narrow concrete patio around it. See fuzzy picture below (sorry about that. Google earth must be a little tipsy tonight).

So now that I've paid off the pool, I'm thinking of putting down a flagstone patio, but the trick is that I want to extend it beyond the paltry concrete patio that already exists (dotted square around pool).

I assume it will be a pretty easy job to lay down the stone on top of a nice level concrete patio, but I am a little concerned about how to make the transition between the concrete part and the grass part.

(1) Is this even advisable, or should I just extend the concrete out to the entire area I want for the patio before laying stone (adding considerable cost)?

(2) Assuming I don't extend the concrete, what should I do when the stone transitions from the concrete subsurface to the dirt? I'm nervous that cracks will occur over time, and I'd like to do whatever I can to avoid that.

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Best Answer

(1) Is this even advisable, or should I just extend the concrete out to the entire area I want for the patio before laying stone (adding considerable cost)?

Rolls-Royce job (Money no object): Extend the concrete slab out to the area you wish to pave or remove the existing slab and start allover again.

(2) Assuming I don't extend the concrete, what should I do when the stone transitions from the concrete subsurface to the dirt? I'm nervous that cracks will occur over time, and I'd like to do whatever I can to avoid that.

Good enough job (and what most paving pro's would do, at least the ones I know back in the UK): Excavate 6 to 8 inches (150 to 200mm) from the area you want to extend into. Back fill that area with sub-base (crushed rock) material. Back fill in 2 to 3 inch (50 to 75mm) layers, each layer should be "properly" compacted. This will give you a sub-base that is "nearly" as good/stable as the existing concrete slab.

  • Something to consider, regardless of chosen method, how is the paving area going to drain? Do you need to put in some sort of drainage system , thus preventing the surrounding softscape from flooding due to the new hardscape?