I cannot vary the location of a hole I need to drill in a masonry wall, but I have detected metal – about 3 x 3". This spot of metal is completely isolated ie does not track in a line to plugs, switches etc and is definitely not pipes. i am in a basement so nothing comes up from underneath. it is an internal wall and this 'patch' is also detectable from the other side of the wall where there is also no plug sockets etc. what is it likely to be and can I drill safely?
Drill but have detected metal approx 3“ x 3”. Not pipes, not wires. Can I drill
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You're barking up the wrong tree. 310.15(b)(2)(a) isn't the issue, you are a ways from hitting that. The issue is the other kind of conduit fill.
With conduit fill, you are limited to 40% of the conduit cross-section with 3 or more wires.
The company gave you a 1" knockout and they are correct. You need to bring in six #6 wires and 1 bare ground wire up to #6. That will only give you about 33% conduit fill on a 1" conduit with THHN wires.
There is an additional rule that oval cross-section cables are treated same as a round wire of the maximum dimension. #6 Romex is .68" in the long dimension so it is a wire of .68" diameter. That is 0.363 sq.in. in surface area, triple that is 1.09 si. Divide by 40% you need a pipe with 2.7 si. A 1.5" pipe isn't close, so you need a 2" pipe.
Needless to say, trying to stick three cables in a 1" knockout is a lost cause. It will never be legal. It will never be anywhere near legal. It will always get redflagged by the inspector. That is what he is trying to tell you, and you are misconstruing this to be a 310.15(b)(2)(a) issue. It's not.
Again, this is easily done with conduit. I happen to like EMT conduit because it's a good balance of "easy to work with" and "allows the conduit to be the ground, so no ground wires needed".
How to solve it
Given that running conduit back to the panel is not a possibility, what remains is to run 1" conduit to an intermediate point or point(s), and splice from your cable to THHN wires at that location. Each cable will require 20 cubic inches of splice space. In addition each box will require 7.5 cubic inches to allow for cable clamps and grounds. So if you can get one big box with 67.5 cubic inches, that will do. Or one with 27.5 ci and another with 47.5 ci.
One 6x6x2" box should suffice, or a 4-11/16" square box that is either deep with a domed cover, or has a box extension.
Ironically, you are at a disadvantage getting a big box at a big-box store - a proper electrical supply house will have better selection and be cheaper.
And here's a relief: you don't need to buy 2 colors of THHN wire. You are not paralleling, so you do not need to distinguish red from black - black and black are perfectly appropriate colors for a 240V circuit. In fact, when dealing with multiple circuits, it is far more important to distinguish circuits from each other.* So grab a 5-pack of colored electrical tape and call it golden. The 3 circuits can be black-black (unmarked), blue-blue and yellow-yellow.
Seriously, you don't want to accidentally attach one of the 3 heating coils to Black1 and Red2. It will seem to work, but will cause weird problems and would trip a GFCI if the supply breaker was GFCI.
Stuff that doesn't matter
As far as 310.15(b)(2)(a) first that's a non-issue in conduits shorter than 24", but even so, every circuit fed from a split-phase panel counts as 2 conductors. Because it is concerned with heat, and grounds don't matter, and neutrals between 2 hots do a magic thing that cancels out. So you have 3 circuits, therefore 6 conductors. 6 conductors gets an 80% derate off the highest temp rating allowed for that wire, and NM gets an exception allowing it to pull from the 90C column even though it's 60C wire. So at #6 you are reading 310.15(b)(16) and getting 75A, derating x 80% = 60A. Which is a big nothingburger, because #6 wire is already limited to a 60A breaker (actually 55A but that size isn't made, so you get to round up.) Now if you had 8 conductors, that's a 70% derate and #6 gets knocked down to 52.5 amps.)
Also in the "doesn't matter" category, their three 40A breakers actually call for #8 wire, but this changes nothing. Three #8 cables still can't fit in a 1" knockout/conduit, and three #8 wires fit with ease. So using #6 wire has no impact.
* I have one installation where the guy ran 2 1" conduits from a panel to a machine room. In one of the conduits he put four 120V circuits. The other got four #10 wires for 4 circuits - red-black, red-black, red-black and red-black. And you can't tell them apart because his cheap labels fell off. Ugh. I plan to rearrange it to black-black and red-red in conduit 1, ditto in conduit 2.
Guaranteed Reusability
If you run the wire as you are putting together the conduit, there is a possibility, unless you are truly careful about all the details, that you could end up in a situation where your initial set of wires are perfectly fine, but that pulling them out to replace them - or more likely pulling in new wires (out is "easy") will run into unexpected problems. If you assemble everything first then the first time you pull wires through you will find and fix any problems. Plus you will be more careful (especially if you don't do this kind of thing every day) to play by the rules so that you will be able to pull that first set of wires without a problem.
Remember, conduit serves three different functions:
- Physical protection
- Grounding (for metal conduit)
- Ease of use - i.e., add or replace wires as needed
The first two, which obviously are the "safety" issues, will be the same whether you do conduit-then-wire or conduit-with-wire. But for the 3rd, it can make a big difference.
Best Answer
The short answer is No, you can't drill.
Drilling into masonry and hitting something unexpected can be dangerous and expensive. That's why you scanned first, which was wise. (No idea what you used to scan...) Your scan found something, but you don't have enough information to know what with any confidence. It could be nothing more than a scrap of metal that fell in the mix when the concrete was poured, it could be buried treasure, it could be something else that shocks, floods, or explodes. Drilling into it is not the way to find out what it is.
There are other difficulties drilling through metal embedded in masonry but that's another matter.