Electrical – Contractor wants to “derate” the subpanel

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We're going through the planning phases of installing a pair of Tesla Powerwall units for our house.

We got this via the project contact from their engineering group.

Both Tesla Powerwalls are going on the 200A subpanel that is being
fed by a 200A breaker. Without derating, you can only add 40A of
generation (whether it is a battery or PV). The continuous amps of
the two powerwalls is 60A, which exceeds that. By derating to 175A,
you are allowed 65a of generation. So, 60A (Tesla) < 65A (max
allowed).

Can someone explain to me how going from a 200A panel to a 175A panel facilitates this? Isn't "more, better"? By going from a 200A down to a 175A, is this what opens up the capacity for the extra 20A that the batteries need to provide (by providing (200A – 175A) 25A)? How does that work?

Note, we already have a 7.5Kw PV system installed (I honestly don't know if its through this panel or not, the breakers are in the other, main, panel outside).

Mind, I don't question the engineers. If it has to be done, I guess it has to be done.

I just don't understand it what is going on here, and what the longer term impacts this has.

Overall we have a 400A setup in the house. I guess it's via two panels (since this one is a 200A subpanel of the other one).

Any insight appreciated.

Best Answer

Yeah, that's a thing. The problem is you have potentially two energy sources feeding the panel: The 200A main breaker and the 60A Tesla PowerWall. That's 260A on a breaker bus that is rated either 200A or 225A - I suspect the former, though the label will say for sure.

Now, they give you a mulligan for 20% of the panel ampacity. So they'll let you slide up to 240A on that 200A busing. But you need 260A so that is not enough.

So, one option is to derate whatever breaker happens to supply this panel. Now you have 175A + 60A = 235A = you're inside 240A.

Another way is to go talk to the dealer who sells those lines of panel. They put a large variety of panels on a limited number of panel box sizes. The goal is to find a panel with 225A-rated busing, where the bus assembly will bolt up to the same mounting holes that are in your panel.

Now you'll have 225A x 120% = 270A, which covers your 260A.