Electrical – How to add a 400v 3 phase plug and/or extra distribution panel with only two breaker spaces left

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I have a few 400v appliances with 5 pin plugs (pressure washer etc.) but no 5 pin plugs. I would like to easily add a 5 pin 400v socket to my existing fuse boxes, but I only have two breaker spaces left on my sub-panel.

I have found some good instructions online for adding sub-panels or 400v 3 phase sockets via a 4 pin fuse and then a 3-way circuit breaker (see photos below), but I don't quite understand how to connect this from my existing circuit board, particularly considering there are only two circuit breaker spaces left.

4 pole fuse

plus

3-way circuit breaker

To connect to this space somehow?

Available 2 space gap

Questions:

Option 1: Adding new Fuse in 2-space gap (Preferred option)

Option 1 Question: – Can I fit a 2 pin fuse (or whatever fits in the available space) and then wire it to the 4 pole fuse pictured above? If so, can you suggest how I can wire something in this two space gap without adding extra capacity to an existing fuse?

Option 2: Somehow reworking an existing fuse/collection of circuit breakers to just slip in a 400V socket to the existing generous 35A/50A fuses

Option 2 Question: – Confusingly, there is a three pin campervan socket wired with a fat wire to a ciruit breaker with a '3' symbol written on it. In the pic below youc can see this fat wire at top of pic with black, blue and earth wire going to 3 locations in fuse box. I don't understand this.

I could only get 230v out of the socket when testing with a voltometer. Could this somehow be better wired to become three phase?

3 phase circuit breaker?

Fat wire at top of pic can be seen with black, blue and earth wiregoing to 3 locations? Don't undertand this...

Confusing existing campervan 3 pin socket

Useful info:

The electric meter is rater for 400A

The existing fuses are all 35A or 50A

Most of the existing circuit breakers are capable of both 230V and 400V (I'm in Germany).

Here are some extra pics you may find useful:

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Caveats:

  • I'm no electrician so may have some of the terminology wrong.
  • Any advice/discussion is for learning purposes and I act on it at my own risk, so please feel free.
  • More pics/info available on request (max 8 allowed in this 1st post 🙁 )
  • I appreciate any input : )

Extra photos now I have the 'reputation' to allow me more than 8 photos:

Thick wires can be seen going from meter to main panel:

 Thick wires can be seen going from meter to main panel

These Same wires (in a split grey PVC housing) can be seen going from left to right panel at the top here:

Left to right panel joined with four thick wires

Neutral and ground on top rows of left panel (joined) and seen travelling to right panel:

Neutral and ground on top rows of left panel and seen travelling to right panel

Ground and neutral on right panel (not joined):

Ground and neutral on right panel

The path of the brown and black wires on the right panel is less clear to me:
The path of the brown and black wires on the right panel is less clear to me

But the black and brown wires are in some way connected to a number of fuses and circuit breakers, which I think means they are all ultimately connected directly to the electricity meter power source?

brown and black wire connections on right panel

&

brown and black wire connections on right panel 2

Best Answer

When you're out of room, you add a subpanel. Relocate 3 or 4 of the breakers from the current main panel to the new subpanel to make room for the new high amperage 3 pole breaker you're going to need to add to it.