Learn English – “…as I and many others have…” – An exception to the rule of putting I last

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In Part 2 of my answer to this question I wrote the following:1                  (Focus on the bold print.)

Both sentences mean the exact same thing: A general truth statement that low rain in a year produces rings that are "close together" (like shown in the picture). In this case, there is no significant semantic difference between using "are" and "will be". Either sentence can be substituted for each other, and it will convey the exact same thing.

On the other hand, there are better ways to word this concept, as I and many others have pointed out. The sentences contain conflicting elements of grammar, semantics, multiple senses of time (both semantic and grammatical), and domain specific knowledge. All of these elements create forces that pull in different directions.

I'm not concerned about being first or last. It sounds more euphonious to me the way I wrote it. I think it has to do with the impersonal nature of "many others".

On the other hand, if it were someone's name, I would have written it like, "as @Cathy and I have pointed out." I would even write, "As the other Answerers and I have pointed out."

What do you think? Is this an exception to the rule? Some other options:

  • as I, and many others, have pointed out.
  • as I–and many others–have pointed out.
  • as I (and many others) have pointed out.

  • as many others–and I myself–have pointed out. (I was imagining what Obama might say in a speech. But this seems stranger written than spoken.)

  • as many others and I have pointed out. (The standard rule.)

Footnote

1. I have since removed I and many others in the original source. But the issue is still interesting as written here. 🙂

Best Answer

I think your instinct is correct.

To begin with, you can't say many others and I because other has to have an antecedent to distinguish itself from. You leave the hearer wondering "many other than who?"

But both many people and I and I and many people sound almost as odd. I suggest—and this is nothing more than a guess—that this is because employing a conjunction implies that many people and I are two different sorts of entity: you are distinguished from many people and consequently must be something other than a person. I and many others avoids this implication; but If you want to put the many in first place you're going to have to say something like as many people, including me, have said.

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