What is the meaning of "have one's fingers in every pie"? I know it is an idiom, but I can't find its meaning in any online dictionary.
Also, I want to ask if it is a neutral phrase or if it has any negative/positive connotation.
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What is the meaning of "have one's fingers in every pie"? I know it is an idiom, but I can't find its meaning in any online dictionary.
Also, I want to ask if it is a neutral phrase or if it has any negative/positive connotation.
Best Answer
What some reference books say
For some reason, both Cambridge’s book of idioms and Oxford’s book of idioms divide the finger-in-pie idiom into two subforms—and then give diametrically opposite definitions with regard to which subform is benign and which subform is intrusive. From Cambridge International Dictionary of Idioms (1998):
Cambridge seems to view having a finger in every pie as the behavior of a busybody, whereas having a finger in a particular pie signifies activity not necessarily drawing or deserving censure. In contrast, John Ayto, Oxford Dictionary of English Idioms, third edition (2009) has these two entries:
Evidently, Oxford and Cambridge simply don't see eye to eye (or pie to pie) on this question.
Here is the entry for "have a finger in the pie" in Christine Ammer, The American Heritage Dictionary of Idioms (1997):
Ammer seems to follow the Oxford view that the multiple-pie fingerer is chiefly to be seen as vigorous (for participating in the production of so many pies) while the single-pie fingerer borders on meddlesomeness (for not keeping his or her fingers to him- or herself). But at the very least, the "finger in every pie" expression invites a rather unsettling image of Jack Horner, public citizen, sticking his thumb into every pie he can reach. Whether he is right in imagining himself a good boy on that account is perhaps a matter for each reader to decide.
In contrast to the Oxford/Ammer position, Robert Hendrickson, The Facts on File Encyclopedia of Word and Phrase Origins, fourth edition (2008) sees the phrase "finger in the pie" as nonpejorative:
But arguing that a phrase has nothing to do with an interpretation that some people have put forward is meaningful only if the question is what the phrase originally meant. What the phrase means today depends entirely on what people intend for it to mean when they use it today—and if some people use it to suggest meddlesomeness, it most certainly can have that connotation now, even if more people use it to mean simply active participation in many endeavors.
Historical examples
A Google books search turns up matches for “a finger in every pie” going back to this 1771 translation of The History of the Renowned Don Quixote de la Mancha:
The earliest instance of the phrase in an original English work appears to be from James Makittrick, alias Adair, Curious Facts and Anecdotes, Not Contained in the Memoirs of Philip Thicknesse, Esq. (1790):
The earliest Google Books instance of “fingers in every pie” is from "The Book-Merchant’s Tour," in Hints to My Countrymen “by an American” (Theodore Sedgwick) (1826):
One early instance of "a finger [or fingers] in every pie" has the moon influencing—if not meddling in—many aspects of rural affairs in a British village. From J.K. Paulding, “Retiring From the Cares of Life,” in Godey’s Magazine and Lady’s Book (October 1846):
Another is from “France,” in The Rambler, a Catholic Journal of Home and Foreign Literature(1858):
A much later example makes the same connection unequivocally. From Cornelius Weygandt, “Things Are for Use,” in The [University of Pennsylvania] General Magazine and Historical Chronicle (October 1941):
On the other hand, the positive sense of the phrase is evident in this example from The Poughkeepsie [New York] Casket (April 20, 1839):
Hendrickson’s example from 1656 is a translation of Jean-Nicolas de Parival, The History of This Iron Age: Wherein is Set Down the True State of Europe, as It Was in the Year 1500 (1656):
But even in Parival's example, it seems to me, whether the author views the inclination of the state of Lusatia to have her finger in a pie as being the natural and commendable attitude of an industrious baker or the act of a greedy pie poker is by no means clear.
Conclusions
Oxford and Cambridge agree that the closely allied phrases "a finger in every pie" and "a finger in the pie" convey different attitudes toward the pie-fingering behavior—one approving or neutral and one disapproving or skeptical. But they disagree about which form is which.
A third view, put forward by Robert Hendrickson, argues that any note of disapproval associated with the phrase "a finger in the pie" misunderstands the original tone of the expression, which "has nothing to do with being meddlesome."
Historically, however, many instances of the phrase have explicitly or implicitly involved accusations of meddling, interference, or partisan activity. Overall, though people do use the phrase neutrally in some situations, an element of perceived self-interest and aggressive intrusiveness is easy to detect in many others.