Learn English – Source and meaning of the proverb “Milk says to wine, Welcome friend”

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While investigating an unrelated expression, I came across the following proverb in George Herbert, Jacula Prudentum ; or Outlandish Proverbs, Sentences, Etc., second edition (1651):

Milk says to wine, Welcome friend.

I checked a number of other proverb collections, and found several that include this saying (often with a citation to Herbert’s book), but I couldn’t find an earlier source for it. My questions are:

  1. What is the origin of “Milk says to wine, Welcome friend”?

  2. What does the proverb mean?

Best Answer

Authorship

The byline to Jacula Prudentum reads "Selected by Mr. George Herbert, Late Orator of the University of Cambridge," and a note attached to an 1881 edition of the collected works of George Herbert says this:

It has been objected that there is no absolute proof that the proverbs [in Jacula Prudentum] were translated by Herbert (see “Notes & Queries,” second series, No. 57, p. 88), but these objections were ably set aside by Mr. Mayor in the same series, p. 30. It appears that Herbert’s works were held in high esteem and kept in MS. At Little Gidding, from whence Dr. John Mapletoft derived his two MS. Collections of proverbs, one of which professed to be a work of Herbert’s. There is, therefore little reason to doubt that he [Herbert] was the translator and editor of them.

If the English trail of the proverb ends at Herbert—either as author or translator from another language—it follows that Herbert is the source, in English at least. And indeed there is a related French proverb (discussed below), though it is not at all a literal counterpart of “Milk says to wine, Welcome friend,” but a possible source nonetheless. I haven’t been able to find any source in English that antedates Herbert.

The earliest instance of the expression that I've encountered in various book database searches is from Outlandish Proverbs, Selected by Mr. G.H. (1640):

Milke saies to wine, welcome friend.

Wikipedia confirms that "Mr. G.H." is George Herbert, and Outlandish Proverbs is evidently an earlier edition or version of Jacula Prudentum. Herbert died in 1633, so the proverb was clearly established by that date.


Early attempts to categorize or characterize the saying

William Hazlitt includes the phrase “Milk says to wine, Welcome friend” in his relatively systematic and well-organized English Proverbs and Proverbial Phrases (1869), but in discussing Jacula Prudentum, Hazlitt is not especially charitable:

The volume of Outlandish Proverbs ascribed to George Herbert, whose authorship, I respectfully submit to be rather questionable, and printed in 1640, 8vo. is a meager and insipid business enough, and the pious compiler, if it be his, seems to have omitted purposely (which was so far natural and proper) all the gross sayings, however characteristic, which were current in or before his time, and even to have softened down such as were exceptionable in his eyes, and he did not resolve to exclude. The latter was scarcely a judicious compromise.

The Outlandish Proverbs exhibit one weakness which I have found to be common to all the collections : the confusion of proverbs with mere precepts or maxims destitute of proverbial significance and character.

W. Anderson O’Conor, “On Proverbs,” read on November 17, 1879, and included in Papers of the Manchester Literary Club (1880), sees this proverb and others in Herbert’s collection as representing a stage in the historical development of the proverb:

The passage from sayings of general application to those of a distinctly metaphorical character was natural. One or two examples taken from George Herbert’s Jacula Prudentum will illustrate them. “He stands no securely that never slips.” “The chicken is the country’s but the city eats it.” “After the house is finished leave it.” “Milk says to wine, Welcome friend.” “Diseases of the eye are best cured by the elbow.” “They that hold the greatest farms pay the least rent.” “Old camels carry young camels’ skins to the market.” The proverbial expression has grown here into a parable or dark saying, which is intended for solution rather than guidance, and which affords an exercise for ingenuity rather than an instruction to be practiced. Commonplace observations of life are knotted into enigmas, and wisdom is made to consist in a dexterous untying of them.

Though treating certain proverbs from Herbert’s collection as riddles may be defensible, doing so understates the extent to which they remain statements of folk wisdom. But what is the folk wisdom in “Milk says to wine, Welcome friend”?


Meaning of the proverb

My first thought was that milk was welcoming wine as a friend because both were agents of health in a human diet—rather as if one doctor were greeting a respected colleague. But that idea runs into some problems elsewhere in the land of proverbs.

The “milk says to wine” proverb also appears in [Robert] Southey’s Common Place Book, third series (1850). However, Southey also cites another saying from Herbert’s collection:

A morning sun, and a wine-bred child, and a Latin-bred woman seldom end well.

This saying is no less opaque than the “milk says to wine” proverb, especially with regard to the idea that a morning sun seldom ends well, unless it be that sunset inevitably comes to even the brightest morning (which hardly discredit the bright morning, in my opinion). The troubled future predicted for a "wine-bred child" at the very least suggests that the author of this proverb doesn’t consider milk and wine to be interchangeable in a child’s diet. The "Latin-bred woman," meanwhile, seems to refer to a woman who has received a sound and scholarly education—a potential source of friction in a society that prefers women to be intellectually submissive and unambitious. There is certainly no hint in the "wine-bred child" adage of a happy friendship between milk and wine.

Another perspective on the question arises in William Benham, Cassell’s Book of Quotations, Proverbs and Household Words, revised edition (1914), which repeats the “milk says to wine” proverb and then adds a cross reference to the following saying from John Ray, Compleat Collection of English Proverbs:

If you would live for ever/You must wash milk from your liver.

Vin sur lait, c’est souhai;/Lait sur vin, c’est venin.

—Wine on milk is desirable; milk on wine is poison.—(Fr.)

Wein auf Bier rath ich dir, Bier auf Wein das lass acin.

—Wine upon beer I counsel thee; beer upon wine, let that be.—(Germ.)

And Godfrey Baseley, A Country Compendium [combined snippets] repeats the French saying about wine and milk and then follows it with a new and very brief saying about the two:

Wine on milk is desirable, milk on wine, poison.

Milk welcomes wine.

The Benham and Baseley sayings suggest that the crux of the “milk says to wine” proverb may be that if you drink first milk and then wine, your stomach will accept the newcomer calmly; but if you reverse the order, your stomach will rebel.

Ray’s “wash milk from your liver” proverb—though it may just be a very loose translation of the same French proverb that yields the “milk on wine, poison” adage, seems to go a step further and suggest that something—whether wine or water or some other fluid—is necessary to wash milk from your liver, to avoid bad results from the milk. Ray himself, however, seems to have viewed the “wash milk from your liver” saying with considerable skepticism. In his comment beneath that proverb (which he identifies as “Gallic) from the 1678 edition of his book, he remarks:

This is an idle old saw, for which I can see no reason but rather for the contrary.


A seventeenth-century critique of 'Milk must be washed from the liver'

Early English Books Online finds this interesting analysis of the above proverb, from James Primerose, Popular Errours.: Or the Errours of the People in Physick, First Written in Latine by the Learned Physitian James Primrose Doctor in Physick (1651), applying the principles of physiology (as they ere then known) to the case:

CHAP. XI. That the common proverbe is false, Milke must be washed from the Liver.

Because this so familiar, and ordinary Proverbe is not of any great moment, we will speake but little of it. Many when they eat Milk, do presently drink Beere or Wine, and say that Milk must be washed off the Liver.

For which saying there is no reason; for then the Milk is not yet come to the Liver, but is contained still in the stomach, and therefore there is no sence why it should be washed off the Liver. But they must rather stay three or foure houres after the taking of the Milk ; for then is the first concoction of the stomach finished, and the milk is in the Liver, that it may be turned into blood.

Secondly, no reason enforces why milk should be washed from the Liver rather than other meats, for there is the same reason of all meats, which necessity urges to be contained in the Liver, that they may be changed into blood.

Thirdly, it is sure, that by this meanes the Milk is curdled in the Stomach, and so is afterward more easily corrupted, more slowly concocted, and burdens the stomach; for Milk curdled in the Stomach, is reckoned among poysons, and I knew a man, that by this meanes dyed suddenly. Let them therefore observe it, that use to eat milk, that they doe not unadvisedly drinke Wine or other liquours that dissolve milk, seeing that by the use of them milk is soon corrupted in the stomach, waxes sowre, and becomes hurtfull.

It thus seems that many people in England were accustomed to drinking wine soon after drinking milk on the supposition (or superstition) that this would prevent harmful effects that milk would otherwise have on the liver. Since this practice was evidently widespread in 1651, it may be that the latter saying was simply an alternative way of expressing the quasi-scientific justification for the practice—namely, that "Milk must be washed from the liver."

Still, it bears repeating that George Herbert had recorded "Milk says to wine, welcome friend" as a proverb no later than 1633, in a collection of proverbs published (posthumously) by 1640.