Learn English – What’s wrong with “One of the children’s name IS John”

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Please don't throw this one out as a duplicate of “one of …” singular or plural? I'm not asking about the plurality of the noun immediately following those two words – I'm interested in exactly why the example below is problematic (context: I have several children, one named John)…

1: One of my children's name is John.

I can't see any obvious reason why singular name there is completely unacceptable, but it certainly doesn't sit well with me. It seems to turn on whether one of my children can be treated collectively as the "subject" of the Saxon genitive 's, but I don't see a problem with…

2: It's actually one of my children's, but you can sleep in this bed.

I realise that in practice we'd normally pluralise names in the first example. But of course, this implies that one of attaches to my children's names, which isn't really the same construction.

So – is there some kind of "rule, principle" debarring #1 above? Or is it just "one of those things"?


(Apologies if my later switch from brothers to children invalidates any comments or answers.)

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Actually, this construction seems to be be attested in some documents indexed by Google Books:

The Witness: One of my children's name is Richard White.

(The federal reporter - Volume 219 - Page 170)

Yes, but prior to that time it was in one of my children's name, prior to that time, I think [...]

(Records and Briefs in Cases Decided by the Supreme Court of Minnesota, 1907)

Of course, this is just an interesting fact; by itself, it doesn't answer your question. These could be simple production errors (which are common in speech), or it could be that the speakers quoted here had internalized different grammatical rules than you did. (Or these could even be transcription errors!) We still have to explain why you find this sort of sentence unacceptable.


Unfortunately, I don't know the relevant rule making it ungrammatical. But I do think I can explain why you judge sentence 2 to be grammatical.

I think in your sentence 2, the word "one" is, or at least seems like it can be, interpreted to refer to a bed rather than a child.

2: It's actually one of my children's, but you can sleep in this bed.

"This bed is actually one of [my children's beds], but you can sleep in it"

This means much the same thing as a hypothetical "*This bed is [one of my children's] bed" would, so it's hard to notice the difference in implied structure when only the elided form is used. However, I think the second structure would actually be ungrammatical, just as you say "*One of my children's name is John" is ungrammatical.

At first, I thought it might have something to do with the indefiniteness, but "a child's name" is acceptable, and "the youngest of my children's name" doesn't seem fully acceptable (although I might be imagining that it sounds slightly better than "one of my children's name").

Personally, I feel a bit uneasy with using 's-genitives after phrases that end in plural nouns no matter what the internal structure of the noun phrase is. "The queen of England's crown" sounds OK to me, but "The queen of the mice's crown" less so. I think a relevant point is whether "The father of my children's name" sounds any more or less acceptable to you.

I think the "clitic" nature of the English possessive -'(s) construction is somewhat exaggerated in the kind of short explanations that we provide on this site: there are definite complications and restrictions concerning its use (which I know have been analyzed in linguistic literature, but I am not familar enough with it to say more than that). Wikipedia has a short overview of some relevant analyses: Status of the possessive as a grammatical case.

"Also, here is an interesting paper I found: The English “Group Genitive” is a Special Clitic", Stephen R. Anderson