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Is there anything particular unstylish about the phrase "X lies at the basis of Y"?

In this thread, some users qualify this phrase as "clumsy", without saying why. What would be the reason? (I do not have enough reputation to ask the question in a comment there)

One user offers an alternative as "X is the basis of Y". However, in my opinion there is a difference in nuance between both phrases:

"X is the basis of Y" would mean X causes Y.

On the other hand:

"X lies at the basis of Y" would mean to me that X is one of the,
possibly many, main causes of Y.

For example, comparing with the literal origin: In a pyramid, a certain stone in the lowest layer lies at the bottom of the pyramid. The basis of the pyramid, however, would arguably be the whole bottom layer…?

Best Answer

As JeffSahol pointed out in a comment, I think the principal confusion here is the difference between base and basis.

base - the bottom or lowest part of something : the part on which something rests or is supported (M-W)

basis - something (such as an idea or set of ideas) from which another thing develops or can develop (M-W)

Base generally refers to a physical object. Basis generally refers to an idea. Similarly, lay is generally used with a physical object, and is with ideas.

So uses would be more like:

This is the basis of the electromagnetic theory of light.

The statue lies at the base of the pyramid.

These are generalizations, though. You can certainly use 'lay' with ideas ("to lie at the heart of") and could probably justify 'basis' for the bottom of a physical object (though that's a bit more of a stretch). Using both together, though, does strike me as clumsy indeed.