Do points revert faster if defenders stand on them

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If a team starts capturing a point but fails to get it converted, it starts reverting back to the team that owns it, making the attacking team lose their progress. If you stand on your point while it's reverting, it will say that that's what it's doing too. Does standing on them while it's reverting speed it up though?

I've gotten conflicting answers about this, and TF2 doesn't really give any indication if it matters.

Does it matter how many people stand on it? Does it work the same way in both Standard Control Point and Attack/Defend Control Point maps?

Best Answer

Yes, it does, though it varies. From the wiki:

Reverting a capture

When a control point is neutral and both teams are trying to capture it, captures can be reverted. If a team begins, but does not finish, to capture a neutral point and then is driven off, when the other team begins to capture that point, they will first have to "revert" the progress that the first team made before they can begin to make progress of their own. The revert rate will increase in speed with more players of the second team standing on the point.

On Attack/Defend maps, points will slowly revert without being affected by the number of players on the point. This is because, in accordance with the definition, the RED team cannot cap the point, whereas BLU is trying to cap the point. In this way, the point cannot be reverted faster even with additional defenders on the point. Example:

Scene: Dustbowl

A BLU scout quickly rushes towards the cap, and manages to get in without anyone noticing him (a RED demo catches a glimpse of him, but barely enough). He almost manages to get the cap fully capped, but to his utter dismay, the same RED Scottish demolitions expert who spied him turns him into flying chunks of meat.

A RED Pyro, a RED scout, and a RED Heavy, noticing this event, tries to stand on the point, hoping to revert the changes made by the fearsome BLU scout. Alas, their efforts are in vain, because the cap refuses to revert to normal faster, even with more people on the point.

Whereas, in a 5 CP map, in modes such as KOTH, or even Arena, where a point can be captured by BOTH teams, both RED and BLU, the amount of players on a point can increase the rate of capture as well as the rate of reverting.

Scene: Foundry

A BLU scout, not coincidentally the same one mentioned previously, eagerly spies the middle capture point, eager to put his team, Builders League United, ahead of the filthy Reliable Excavation Demolition mercenaries. He manages to make a heroic effort, getting close to capping the point, but his efforts are in vain as a patriotic Russian minigun-toting man shreds him to pieces.

At this point, the point is nearly capped. The RED team would not like to have the BLU spawns even closer to their base; this would only make it harder for them to make a comeback. A lone RED spy jumps on the cap, hoping it'll revert.

To his surprise, it does! It seems to move along slightly faster, though not as fast. Signalling for help, the RED spy's prayers are answered as a RED pyro comes in to spycheck. Coincidentally, the revert rate is now 2X, almost double the efforts of a single spy. His teammates have all respawned by now, and they all jump on the point. Unfortunately, the point has a max revert limit, darn. But the point is rapidly reverting, allowing them to safely guard the point and revert it to a possession of theirs........for now.

TL;DR my fanfic:

On Attack/Defend maps, where only one team can capture points, points cannot be reverted faster by defenders. However, on Standard Control Point maps where both teams are vying to capture points, points can be reverted faster as more defenders stand on the point, up to a cap of 4x on most maps (more information regarding control point timing here).

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From the official TF2 wiki:

Points are the basic scoring unit of Team Fortress 2, and are awarded for different successful offensive and defensive actions. Performing these actions will also often earn a voice response from the class you are playing.

Points can be awarded in fractions, however these will not show up on the scoreboard until a whole number is reached.

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Do you need to take damage during warmup to let your medic charge faster

It depends.

I have just learned about this line in the December 20th, 2007 patch changelog:

The Medic's Medi Gun now charges at an increased rate during Setup time, to remove the need for self-damage grinding

So no, damaging yourself during setup doesn't help your medic charge faster. Additionally, damaging yourself at any one time doesn't help your medic charge faster if he's using the Quickfix.

It seems obvious but worth of noting, however, that this doesn't apply on maps that lack a setup time in the first place. You do want to do "self-damage grinding" on 5CP and CTF maps, and perhaps every other single time you get out of spawn with a medic — if you've seen the pros do it, that's why.

Even in these situations, be aware that not all self-damage methods are equally helpful in making your medic heal faster. You don't have to have a flashing red HP counter to do this; the ubercharge rate reduction kicks in at 142.5% health (except during setup, apparently) and you can be overhealed up to 150%. Here's what it means:

Class      Health at 100%     142.5%   150% (fully overhealed)

Heavy                300      427      450
Soldier              200      285      300
Pyro & Demo          175      249      260
Medic                150      213      225
All other classes    125      178      185

Ubercharge buildup   100%     100%      50%

So...

The Gloves of Running Urgently don't damage you quite enough to keep you out of the 142.5% range. To get any advantage from that you'd have to bear with the heavy spamming 'meeediiic' until he drops below overheal, and then reap the fruits in one long shot.
One rocket jump, dealing between 27 and 46 damage, drops you between 273 and 254 — barely enough to get you and keep you below 285.
Detonator jumps are surprisingly much more effective, dealing 39–68 damage to a class that needs only 11 short of full to charge the medic faster.
That's still nothing compared to the demoman's Sticky Launcher, however: with self damage ranging between 45 and 114, you actually need to be careful about not suiciding yourself.
The scout's Boston Basher is also effective, as it is able to deal more damage faster than the regular medigun can heal. Again, make sure you don't kill yourself in the process.

Finally, the buildup rate penalty caused from your patient being healed from more than one source (medic, dispenser, ~~cart~~) also applies in warmup, so be careful about that. Move away from that dispenser and overheal somebody who isn't already getting all the love.

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