Three days ago I asked Is this homebrew gunslinger class balanced? and got a some good answers. Thank you to everyone who took the time to read my post and especially thank you to the person who provided an in depth analysis of every feature. Also sorry for the formatting problems. Thank you to the person who fixed my formatting and writing, it was a welcome surprise.
I took into account the suggestions from last time and have edited the class quite a lot. I would be very grateful if people would help me refine it to be as good as possible. Thank you in advance.
I present to you: Gunslinger V2
Gunslinger
Level | Proficiency Bonus |
Features | Skill Shot Points |
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1 | +2 | Gunsmithing | — |
2 | +2 | Shooting Style | — |
3 | +2 | Skill Shots | 3 |
4 | +2 | Ability Score Increase | 4 |
5 | +3 | Steady hand, Gunsmithing(2) | 5 |
6 | +3 | Regenerating Skill | 6 |
7 | +3 | Extra Attack | 7 |
8 | +3 | Ability Score Increase | 8 |
9 | +4 | Skill Shot(2) | 9 |
10 | +4 | Bullet Time, Gunsmithing(3), Shooting Style(2) | 10 |
11 | +4 | Steady hand(2) | 11 |
12 | +4 | Ability Score Increase | 12 |
13 | +5 | Extra Attack(2) | 13 |
14 | +5 | Regenerating Skill(2) | 14 |
15 | +5 | Steady Hand (3) | 15 |
16 | +5 | Ability Score Increase | 16 |
17 | +6 | Skill Shot(3) | 17 |
18 | +6 | Regenerating Skill(3) | 18 |
19 | +6 | Ability Score Increase | 19 |
20 | +6 | Bullet Time(2) | 20 |
Class Features
As a Gunslinger, you gain the following class features
Hit Points
Hit Dice: 1d8 per Gunslinger level
Hit Points at 1st Level: 8 + Constitution modifier
Hit Points at Higher Levels: 5 (1d8) + Constitution modifier
Proficiencies
Armor: Light Armour
Weapons: Simple weapons, Firearms
Tools: Gunsmith's Tools
Saving Throws: Dexterity, Wisdom
Skills: Choose three from Acrobatics, Athletics, Perception, Sleight of Hand, Stealth and Survival.
Equipment
You start with the following equipment, in addition to the equipment granted by your background:
- (a) a revolver, (b) a rifle, (c) a blunderbuss or (d) two pistols
- A hand pistol
- 30 rounds of ammunition
- A set of gunsmith's tools
Features
Gunsmithing
You can craft firearms. To craft a firearm, you must first have the schematics for it. Every 2 levels: 1, 3, 5, 7, ect, you can learn a new firearm schematic. Pick any basic firearm and add to it (if you wish) a number of modifiers equal to your proficiency bonus.
To craft the firearm, it takes a number of days equal to the base firearm's crafting time plus extra time for each modifier you apply. You must have access to raw materials worth at least half of the firearm's cost, which are expended in this process, as well as the extra price added by each modifier, and access to the facilities needed to craft the firearm. You can also add modifiers to existing firearms up to a total of your proficiency bonus.
Once you reach 5th level you can make +1 firearms, at 10th level you can make +2 firearms and at 15th level you can make +3 firearms.
Shooting Styles
At 2nd level, you develop a particular style of shooting and using firearms. Choose one of the styles below. You can't choose a Shooting Style again, even when you later get to choose again at level 10.
Dual-Wielding:
When you engage in two-weapon fighting, you can add your ability modifier to the damage of the second attack so long as the attack is made by a firearm.
Explosive:
When you use an explosive, grenade, or a weapon with the Explosive property, you can reroll 1s and 2s on the damage die, though you must take the new rolls even if they are 1s and 2s.
Heavy Calibre:
Attacks you make with two-handed firearms deal +2 bonus damage.
Marksman:
You have a +2 bonus to attack rolls made with firearms.
All-Rounder:
You deal +1 bonus damage with all firearms.
Skill Shots
Your way of live has caused you to develop a particular hardiness to your person called grit. This is represented by the number of Skill Shot points you have, which can be seen on the Gunslinger class table. You can expend Skill Shot Points to perform abilities called Skill Shots, with you regaining all expended Skill Shot points at the end of a short or long rest. At 3rd level you know 2 Skill Shots, and you learn 2 more at 9th, and 17th levels. Some Skill Shots may call for an enemy to make a saving throw, if that is the case, the following is the DC for the saving throw called. Additionally, only one Skill Shot may be performed per turn.
Skill Shot Save DC = 8 + your proficiency bonus + your Dexterity modifier
Ability Score Increase
When you reach 4th level, and again at 6th, 8th, 12th, 14th, 16th and 19th level, you can increase one ability score of your choice by 2, or two ability scores of your choice by 1. As normal, you can't increase an ability score above 20 using this feature.
Steady Hand
Beginning at 5th level, if you are prone and make no movement on your turn, you get a +1 to hit with firearms. At level 11 if you make no movement you get a +1 and if you are prone and make no movement you get a +2. At level 15 being prone and making no movement gets you a +3 to hit, making no movement gets you a +2 and moving half your speed or less gives you a +1.
Regenerating Skill
Beginning at 6th level, if you roll initiative with less than half of your skill shot points remaining, you regain 2. At level 14 this number increases to 4 and at level 18 it increases to 6.
Extra Attack
Beginning at 7th level, you can attack twice, instead of once, when you take the Attack action on your turn. The number of attacks increases to three when you reach 13th level in this class.
Bullet Time
Starting at 10th level, your senses become so honed that you can momentarily perceive time slower. Once per long rest, you can use your bonus action to enter Bullet Time. This lasts until the beginning of your next turn. During this period, you have advantage on Dexterity saving throws and Perception checks, and attacks made against you have disadvantage. You also have +2 AC.
Once you reach level 20 you can use your reaction to make a number of attacks equal to your Dexterity modifier.
Extra context to help with reviewing
Gunsmith's tools
A set of Tinker's tools
A notebook with schematics
A small pouch of gunpowder
Guns
In my setting, guns do not exist and were invented by this player. All guns deal piercing damage. I have not added costs or crafting time because I have not yet solidified what they will be, but it will on average take a week to craft a gun at level 1, and the guns prices will be roughly in line with the normal dnd weapons in terms of battle effectiveness to cost.
Gun | Capacity | Damage die | Range | Loading and Other |
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Revolver | 6 | 1d6 | mid range | loading takes an action and a bonus action |
Rifle | 2 | 1d10 | mid/long range | loading takes an action |
Blunderbuss | 1 | 1d12 | short range | loading takes an action and a bons action |
Pistol | 1 | 1d8 | mid/short range | loading takes a bonus action |
Hand Pistol | 1 | 1d4 | short range | loading takes an action, concealable |
Sniper Rifle | 1 | 2d8 | Very long range | loading takes 2 actions |
Mini Cannon | 1 | variable ammo: 3d12 to one target or 1d12 to every enemy within a cone | Short range | loading takes 3 actions but can be reloaded by multiple people at once, heavy. |
Shotgun | 2 | 1d6 in a cone | short range | loading takes an action |
Repeating Pistol | 9 | 1d4 but 3 attacks per turn | short range | loading takes an action and a bonus action |
Cannon | 1 | variable ammo: 8d12 to one target or 2d12 to every enemy within a cone | Medium/long range | loading takes 6 actions but can be reloaded by multiple people at once, unliftable. |
Semi Automatic Rifle | 10 | 1d8 up to 4 attacks per turn | mid range | loading takes an action and a bonus action |
Skill shots
Near the bottom of this link are the skill shots, credit to PlatinumSketch for making them, as well as this is the class I based this off.
Modifiers
These are found in the gunsmithing section of my post, follow this link and scroll to the bottom for the modifiers. Thanks to Zone for making them, they were designed (I think) for DMs but they work equally well for players.
Best Answer
Still broken in the sense of being under-defined, this time probably underpowered
It's gonna be hard to give a full analysis of the things in the class. In part because at some point you just have to playtest and see, but also because there here are overshadowing issues elsewhere. There's gonna be an element of just going through explaining the things which have problems or don't work.
Gunsmithing
And I don't think we're off to a good start. This is a crafting feature, which is maybe a natural way to model person-who-makes-weapons, but it has some severe problems. Very simply, this probably does nothing at first level. Possibly never. Crafting is a downtime activity, and the availability of downtime is dependent on the campaign. Some might be laden with it, in others you might never have any. That's not a good thing for your sole first level feature to be dependent on. A similar note applies to the gold cost, though expecting a character to get gold over the course of a campaign is a lot more reasonable.
Recommendation: assuming you're going for is customizable, bespoke weapons crafted by the Gunslinger, do something modelled off the Artificer's infusions. Whether to make it as fiddly as the modifiers currently incorporated by reference is up to you.
Base weapons
If we accept that we basically don't have a first level feature (or only depending on the campaign), at early levels you basically have a vanilla Ranger (and I hope you're familiar with the class's reputation). Except you have a smaller hit die, and the weapons you get are probably worse. The probably is in part because ranges are poorly defined, but that's not gonna matter too much.
The rifle and pistol are probably the easiest comparisons. While the rifle has a d10 instead of d8 damage die, you only get 2 attacks per 3 actions (and that rate gets worse once you get Extra Attack). The pistol is par on damage, except it eats up your bonus actions, and that's gonna start mattering later (also later you get Extra Attack, which pistols work poorly with).
In general though, the design with N capacity and whole actions to load is gonna be difficult to design around. You're gonna have a hard time making sustained damage be level with other classes, and otherwise you might well get more 1/encounter powers (and reload between combats/as part of a short rest) but if they are that you should design them to be that and match up to other classes variants thereof, and I think the current design falls short on both fronts. I'm not going to offer specifics on the guns that aren't starting equipment, because how and when they are acquirable isn't well enough defined for them to be evaluated, but I think there are some effects which could quickly be very problematic.
Shooting styles
Similar to Rangers you get
FightingShooting styles at 2nd level. Of note, Rangers also get spellcasting at that level, so now you're definitely into worse than Rangers territory. While as a general design these are fine (unsurprising as they are, wisely, modelled off fighting styles), but show some issues from the under defined nature of some of the material. In order:Skill shots
It's hard to give a full evaluation with modular options like this, but it seems fine. It's also hard to evaluate power when the class has so little else, which makes some strong effects here be fine, just so the class has something. Some of these might step a bit on the toes of other classes, such as the Fighter's Second Wind and Monk's Stunning Strike. Might be something to be aware of.
I will note that Skill shots known is absolutely worth a column in your class table, it's written very much like a subclass right now. You might also want to smooth out the progression, so it's closer to one more every 4 levels, rather than 2 more every 8.
Steady Hand
While this might be slightly weird, not moving on your turn for a small bonus to attack is fine. I might have expected this to be the bonus-to-attack Shooting style, as the biggest problem here is that those stack, which is starting to be a problem for bounded accuracy. Having multiple bonuses to attack roll is generally outside the design of 5e.
Of note, being prone gives disadvantage on attack rolls, and having +2 does not enough to mitigate that. And mitigating advantage sounds dangerous, but maybe something you could look at.
Regenerating skill
This feature probably generates way too much resources, though it's hard to tell. I'd want to keep an eye on this during play tests, it would be quite possible for a gunsmith to always have skill points available, which is particularly concerning considering the self healing available through them.
Extra Attack
Then we too late come to extra attack. I'm sure you're aware that other martial classes (that get it) get it at 5th level, and that's with good reason. In short, 5th level is the step up to tier 2. That means Extra Attack, cantrip scaling, and more powerful enemies. And your character is lagging behind that. Getting the 3rd attack at 13th level is probably fine, as there's a lot more flex to tier 3 progression (though generally non-Fighters don't get the third attack, you needn't be beholden to that).
Bullet Time
Very few notes. I'm not sure how strong it is, but it's hard to say as things stand. I will note regarding the 20th level upgrade that reactions generally need some kind of trigger (and arguably need them?) so it's fairly loosely defined, though making 5 attacks (assuming you have the loaded bullets for it) at reaction speed is very powerful.
Other notes
I have a couple of other notes which don't necessarily relate to balance, but more for clarity :
A final suggestion
You seem to have certain specific things you're looking for, but wanting to largely use preexisiting systems (ie. other homebrew) and I absolutely get that, I think it's a good idea. You may be better served by taking that homebrew and adding your own features replacing, or going by the thing you've linked and adding it as an option in its exisiting modularity. Though the applicability of this is gonna depend on which things you're actually looking for.