[RPG] Brawler and Monk Multiclassing

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I am currently doing a comparison between the monk and brawler to determine which is more optimal for a current build I am working towards. I have a question regarding the Brawlers Martial Training (Ex) granted at level 1, and more specifically how the two classes work under the whole "Parent Class" system.

Martial Training (Ex)

At 1st level, a brawler counts her total brawler levels as both fighter levels and monk levels for the purpose of qualifying for feats. She also counts as both a fighter and a monk for feats and magic items that have different effects based on whether the character has levels in those classes (such as Stunning Fist and a monk's robe). This ability does not automatically grant feats normally granted to fighters and monks based on class level, namely Stunning Fist.

The qualifying for feats part, I assume this is strictly for feats that have "Fighter level" prerequisites, I am more or less verifying that this does not apply towards the bonus feats that each class has, for example: 2fighter, 2monk, 2brawler would be 1 – start, 2 – fighter, 2 – monk, 1 – brawler, 2 – levels(3,5) = 8 feats.

Second question which is very similar, if I were to take 2 levels of Monk, and 2 levels of Brawler, would my Damage be a d8? (4th level monk is a d8, and a 4th level brawler is a d8).

Third is the AC Bonus:

Brawler: At 4th level, when a brawler wears light or no armor, she gains a +1 dodge bonus to AC and CMD. This bonus increases by 1 at 9th, 13th, and 18th levels.

These bonuses to AC apply against touch attacks. She loses these bonuses while immobilized or helpless, wearing medium or heavy armor, using a shield, or carrying a medium or heavy load.

and

Monk: When unarmored and unencumbered, the monk adds his Wisdom bonus (if any) to his AC and his CMD. In addition, a monk gains a +1 bonus to AC and CMD at 4th level. This bonus increases by 1 for every four monk levels thereafter, up to a maximum of +5 at 20th level.

These bonuses to AC apply even against touch attacks or when the monk is flat-footed. He loses these bonuses when he is immobilized or helpless, when he wears any armor, when he carries a shield, or when he carries a medium or heavy load.

Because the monks bonus is untyped, I assume that they stack, but would both increase if the Brawler levels also count as monk? Example: If I had 4 levels of monk (+1 ac) and 9 levels of Brawler (+2 from Brawler, +2 more for monk because 13th level?)

Thank you in advance.

Best Answer

To the first part of your question, you don't gain the bonus feat progression.

This ability does not automatically grant feats normally granted to fighters and monks based on class level, namely Stunning Fist.

As a 5th level Brawler, you'd add your Brawler level (5) to your effective monk level (0) and effective fighter level (0) for the purposes of feat prerequisites and other interactions.

For the second part,

While a character can multiclass with [a hybrid class's] parent classes, this usually results in redundant abilities. Such abilities don't stack unless specified.

I'm not entirely certain how this interacts with damage dice, but a ruling in line with intent is that you use the larger of the two damage dice. A fair ruling could allow the progressions to stack anyway.

AC bonus is questionable, due to the abilities sharing the same name. I personally would rule that they do stack, due to different typing.