[RPG] Can a lich be controlled by control undead

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If it is possible, which to me just does not seem at all fair to a lich, are there ways to avoid this silly little thing? If you have the feat or spell and the lich rolls badly, he is essentially dead, because the next question the controller would ask is "where is your phylactery?" This reduces the effectiveness and fear of the lich.

Best Answer

Yes, this spell will control a lich.

Control Undead states:

This spell enables you to control undead creatures for a short period of time. You command them by voice and they understand you, no matter what language you speak. Even if vocal communication is impossible, the controlled undead do not attack you. At the end of the spell, the subjects revert to their normal behavior.

Intelligent undead creatures remember that you controlled them, and they may seek revenge after the spell's effects end.

So "Intelligent undead" can be controlled; however the Lich has several lines of defence against this spell.

  • Max 2 HD/Level spell limit. Although admittedly not much of a barrier.
  • Will save. The lich is going to have a VERY large bonus for this.
  • Spell resistance. And probably this as well.
  • Spell Immunity, Greater. Any self-respecting lich will know this spell and have "control undead" as one of the spells it's immune to. Wouldn't you?

Note also, any lich is going to know this spell and have ways around it. The only thing the lich is restricted from (initially) is attacking the caster this isn't going to stop them (until commanded) from...

  • Teleporting away.
  • Casting silence around themselves so they can't hear you
  • Attacking any of your allies.
  • Perverting the words of anything you say. "Where is your phylactery?" (The lich answers in Abysmal, which the player doesn't speak.) "Tell me in Common where your phylactery is?" (The lich says "It is under the sacred cloth of my father.") and so on... all buying it time to get away.
  • And so on.

It's not a hands-down game winner against a Lich,