[RPG] Can a Vampire bite’s HP drain deal extra damage to a creature with temp HP

damagednd-5ehit-pointsmonsterstemporary-hit-points

Can a Vampire's bite deal extra damage due to temporary hit points absorbing the initial damage?

The Vampire's Bite attack contains the following (SRD p. 353):

Hit: 7 (1d6 + 4) piercing damage plus 10 (3d6) necrotic damage. The target's hit point maximum is reduced by an amount equal to the necrotic damage taken, and the vampire regains hit points equal to that amount.

So say I have a max HP of 20, with 20 hit points and 20 temporary hit points. The Vampire uses Bite dealing 5 piercing damage and 10 necrotic damage (reducing temp HP to 5 now).
Does my max HP get reduced by 10, thereby causing me to take 25 damage instead of the expected 15?

Pre-Bite:
Max HP = 20
Current HP = 20
Temporary HP = 20

During Bite (damage only):
Max HP = 20
Current HP = 20
Temporary HP = 20 – 5 (piercing) – 10 (necrotic)

Post Bite (Max HP reduction):
Max HP = 10??
Current HP = 10??
Temporary HP = 5.

How do temporary hit points and a Vampire's Bite interact?

Best Answer

Yes, a vampire's bite can sometimes effectively deal extra damage due to temporary hit points

Damage to temporary HP still counts as damage

Per this Jeremy Crawford Tweet:

When temporary hit points absorb damage for you, you're still taking damage, just not to your real hit points.

So, when the bite ability says "hit point maximum is reduced by an amount equal to the necrotic damage taken" that means that max HP will be reduced by the amount of damage done regardless of temp HP.

Your example

In your example, your maximum HP is 20. Your current HP will also start at 20 since you have taken no damage before this. You also start with 20 temporary HP from some spell or effect.

Starting condition

Max HP: 20

Curr. HP: 20

Temp. HP: 20

So, you take 5 piercing damage and 10 necrotic damage.

Max HP: 20

Curr. HP: 20

Temp. HP: 20 - 5 (piercing) - 10 (necrotic) = 5

Then, because of the vampire bite, your maximum HP is reduced by 10.

Max HP: 10

Curr. HP: 10

Temp. HP: 5

And because your maximum HP drops below your current HP, your current HP immediately drops with it. This is because current HP can never exceed max HP:

A creature's current hit points (usually just called hit points) can be any number from the creature's hit point maximum down to 0. This number changes frequently as a creature takes damage or receives healing.

In this case then, a **vampire's bite, will do additional damage to your HP because of the HP drain and the fact that you had temporary HP.

Specifically it did:

  • 5 (piercing)

  • 10 (necrotic)

  • 10 (HP drain)

= 25 damage

A creature without temp HP would have taken 15 damage. So, yes a creature with temp HP in this case actually effectively takes more damage than a creature without.

Temporary HP is not affected by HP drain since it is independent of max HP.

Official ruling

Jeremy Crawford has agreed with this interpretation in this tweet:

Q: You are hit by a Specter's Life Drain for 10 damage. You have 8 temporary hit points. Is your Max HP lowered by 2 or by 10?

A: By 10


Note that I have been referring to the HP maximum reduction as "damage". I do not mean damage in the technical sense (eg effects that depend on "you take damage") but in the common sense that you lost HP thus it is effectively damage.