[RPG] Can flanking become irrelevant due to creature sizes

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As written it seems like there are several holes in the Flanking rules that lead to really weird results. I was hoping that someone could provide insights or ideas on this.

The first issue I ran into was "Faerie Rogues". I wondered how flanking would work for them and then I found this line:

Creatures with a reach of 0 feet can't flank an opponent.

This is really weird, It means that a Tiny can only flank if they have a reach weapon. Not sure how scales to Diminutive. It means that a pair of Diminutive creatures cannot flank a Tiny creature. That seems odd because they have the same relative size difference as two Smalls and a Medium.

There's also the inverse problem: can a pair of Medium creatures really flank a Gargantuan creature? Isn't there a size difference at which flanking basically becomes irrelevant?

Is there a specific reason for this behavior?

Is this just lazily filling a hole in the rules?

Does anyone have a more rational set of house rules they apply?

Best Answer

The rules for combat in D&D do start to break down in various places when you start dealing with very small or very large creatures and as you've observed, one of these places is flanking.

I'd guess the reason flanking works this way is simplicity. It's a lot easier to say you need to have reach to flank and be on opposite sides than to have special cases around small and large creatures (which would have to take relative size, not absolute size in to account and D&D avoids that wherever possible - just look at how the AC and attack bonuses for size normalise things to be medium). Most of the time the existing rules work just fine.

This is partially because PCs are normally medium or small, monsters are normally a bit bigger than them but not gargantuan and making things more complicated for things that don't come up very much doesn't really add to the game. Additionally, for very large creatures they've already got a sizeable penalty to AC from being so large and normally they have a pretty huge number of hit points. They normally are tough because they can take the hits, rather than because they are hard to hit and because of this don't care much about their AC. A flanking bonus isn't worth anything if you're already hitting reliably without it (unless you're dealing precision damage, but then isn't darting under the gargantuan dragon and stabbing it in the weak point where it's missing a scale just what a rogue should be able to do?).

Then again, if you're running a campaign where this oversimplification will cause problems, possibly because you've got a tiny or diminutive PC or because you're going to be fighting lots of them, you might want to make some changes to bring back some realism.

One easy tweak to make is to say you can flank a creature if you threaten them. If you're two diminutive creatures flanking a tiny creature and you're all in the same square the flanking works fine. This does make it hard to work out who's where in the one square as you still need to be on opposite sides of the creature so maybe scale up the size of everything in a small scale fight. For example, if you've got 3 tiny adventurers fighting 7 diminutive creatures just make the tiny creatures medium for the fight and the diminutive creatures small. The grid rules work fine, you assume people who are fighting are in the same 5ft square so can hit each other (0ft reach) and anyone with a reach weapon still gets the benefit.

If you want to make things a bit more complicated you could say you can only flank someone if you can reach the centre of the creatures space. A medium creature can flank a large creature with a normal weapon but they need a reach weapon like a spear to effectively flank a huge creature. This means you won't flank many larger creatures because you'd need two characters to both have the reach weapons to get a flank. To fix this you could say two characters can flank a creature if their combined reach crosses the creature.

Now two medium creatures with normal weapons can flank a large creature, one of them needs a reach weapon to flank a huge creature and they both need reach weapons to flank a gargantuan creature.

This really penalises rogues and other classes that rely on precision damage as they don't tend to have reach weapons and if they can't flank they won't be able to pull off a sneak attack. There are already plenty of things in the game that stop rogues having fun (plants, elementals, undead, constructs, and oozes to name a few) so they really don't need any more. As @Carcer points out below, Pathfinder did away with a lot of the immunities to precision damage that various creature types had in 3rd ed so rogues have less things interrupting their fun than they used to. It's worth remembering that Pathfinder made this change for a reason though, and introducing these flanking changes will still unfairly penalise precision damage classes while most likely not changing that much for others.

You could fix this by allowing rogues and other precision damage classes to use the old flanking rules to determine if they can get sneak attack damage but still requiring sufficient combined reach to get the +2 bonus.

It does all get rather more complicated though and at the end of the day I'd still say the existing rules, flawed though they are, are probably the easiest and most balanced way to handle things. Just don't play a tiny rogue.

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