With the new 5e book, Tasha's Cauldron of Everything, there exists a new feat, Telekinetic (emphasis mine):
You learn to move things with your mind, granting you the following benefits…
- As a bonus action, you can try to telekinetically shove one creature you can see within 30 feet of you. When you do so, the target must succeed on a Strength saving throw (DC 8 + your proficiency bonus + the ability modifier of the score increased by this feat) or be moved 5 feet toward or away from you. A creature can willingly fail this save.
My idea with this feat is that as a bonus action, you can presumably break your teammates from any grapple. As to the reason, I bring up the definition of grapple from the appendix in the Player's Handbook:
- The condition also ends if an effect removes the grappled creature from the reach of the grappler or grappling effect, such as when a creature is hurled away by the thunderwave spell.
My interpretation of Grapple is that if I, a wizard, cast thunderwave/thunderstep/lightning-lure/telekinesis on a teammate, in such a way that, assuming they failed the save, they would be pushed/pulled out of reach of the grappler then grapple would be broken and the grappler has no way of contesting this.
The caveat with Telekinetic feat however is that the person being affected by the telekinetic push/pull can willingly fail. Therefore no check has to be made.
My friend group is in a bit of pickle over this.
I think, as per RAW, the grappler gets no chance to maintain grapple at all and the whether the grapple-e gets moved or not is based purely on if they pass or fail the saving throw of the spell. It's just in the case of telekinetic they can voluntarily fail.
Some in my friend group believe that the save should be against the grappler, and not the grapple-e. Which then raises the question, does the grappler have to make the save (they aren't being targeted by the spell, and is unfair to the caster/grappler depending on the saves and modifiers) or does the grappler contest the save by performing an athletics to maintain (this seems ridiculous unfair to the caster).
Furthermore, what if I target the grappler with Telekinetic, they fail, do they then get a chance to maintain grapple and pull their grapple-e with them? Or does them holding onto the grapple-e cause them not be moved because moving grapple-e halves your movement and telekinetic moves them a total distance of 5 which is halved to zero.
If grapple-e gets moved with the grappler then it gives an unfair advantage to the caster of the spell as now they're moving two people for one spell.
I would love to know other's opinions on this.
My remark:
The grappler has no say in contesting the forced movement of the grapple-e by an external spell. Its purely between the grapple-e, who is being affected by the spell, and the person casting the spell.
Best Answer
When targeting the grappled creature, the grappler is powerless to prevent this.
The third bullet of Telekinetic states:
So you target your ally, who is being grappled, and they can willingly fail the save. Next, they are moved 5 feet toward or away from you. If this movement takes them out of reach of the grappler, the grapple ends.
There is nothing the grappler can do about this, since the grappled condition says:
If there was a way for the grappler to prevent this, this is where it would be. This strategy works.
If using a grid, pay attention to positioning.
When doing this, you must pay close attention to your position in relation to your grappled ally and the grappling creature. The Telekinetic ability stipulates that the target will:
When attempting to use this strategy, you must position yourself so that your ally lands in a space outside the reach of the grappler.
I've constructed a diagram showing the spaces which should be good for using the telekinetic shove:
The blank white spaces should land your ally still within the grapplers reach. The "?" spaces indicate that your ally would land exactly half in and half out of a green space, but since we're snapping to the grid, it's up to the DM to rule where they land in that case.
If you aren’t using a grid, it’s just up to the DM to make a call.