[RPG] Counting fails and successes in dice pools in Anydice

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I'm trying to figure out probabilities for a d6 dice pool mechanic where [5,6] are successes, and [1.2] are fails causing the player to lose that dice from the pool.

I've been using "output [count {1,2} in Nd6]" to get the probability of either result happening in N sized pool. But these are independent of each other – I want to figure out how many fails would happen during a success?

e.g. Pool 3d6, if there are at least two successes (27%) how many fails would there be? I assume a 33% chance of one fail, as there's only one remaining dice if two are assumed as successes.

I feel like that would generally be true (e.g. 7d6 pool, 3 successes, 'd just look at the probabilities of fails in 4d6). But it would be nice if I could combine them into a procedure in Anydice.

Any suggestions? Or am I way off with my understanding of probabilities?

Best Answer

For an exact number of assumed successes, your logic is fine, except for what might be just a typo: the dice that are not successful cannot roll a number greater than 4, so they're effectively d4s, not d6s. For example, assuming exactly \$k\$ successes (i.e. rolls of 5+) out of \$n\$, the distribution of failures is the same as if you rolled \$(n-k)\$d4 and counted failures (i.e. rolls of 1 or 2) among those.

Here's an AnyDice script demonstrating this, using the "empty die trick" described in this answer to calculate the conditional probabilities.


For at least \$k\$ successes, however, you also need to consider the cases with \$k+1\$, \$k+2\$, ..., \$n\$ successes, and take a weighted average of the failure counts in each case (with the weights given by the probabilities of rolling each possible number of successes).

In particular, the probability of getting exactly one fail, assuming that there are at least two successes, on 3d6 is not 33%; it's actually 3/7. There are two ways to calculate this by hand:

  1. The probability of rolling exactly two successes on 3d6 is \$3×(1/3)^2×(2/3)=2/9\$, while the probability of rolling three successes is \$(1/3)^3=1/27\$. The conditional probabilities of getting one failure in those two cases are, of course, \$1/2\$ and \$0\$ respectively. Thus, the probability of getting one failure if there are two or three successes is $$\frac{(1/2)×(2/9)+0×(1/27)}{2/9+1/27} = \frac{1/9}{6/27+1/27} = \frac{3/27}{7/27} = 3/7.$$

  2. Denoting success with S, failure with F and neither with -, there are seven possible outcomes with two or more successes: SSF, SS-, SFS, S-S, FSS, -SS and SSS. Each of those is equally likely (since each die is equally likely to roll a success, a failure or neither), and out of those, exactly three have one failure.

Of course, we can also modify the AnyDice code above to calculate the number of failures on \$k\$ or more successes. The screenshot below shows the output for \$n=4\$:

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