[RPG] Differences Between 3.5 and 5e Bard

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In my former group (playing 3.5) I played as a Gnome Bard. While I really enjoyed playing this character, I found that while he was extremely useful (and entertaining) to play outside of combat, in combat the gameplay was fairly tedious and repetitive (stand at the back, buff our fighters, and occasionally use my heavy crossbow if our group needed some extra offensive support).

However, I am now moving into a new group playing 5e, and am considering playing a Bard again. Unfortunately, I am unfamiliar with how the Bard class has changed since 3.5.

How has the Bard class changed from 3.5 to 5e?

I would appreciate an answer that not only discusses the differences between the Bard in both editions, but that also provides some greater information on the "typical" role of the Bard in 5e as well – is it still mainly a support class? Can it be played flexibly (both in and out of combat)?

I have read the Bard class in the 5e PHB, but am not familiar enough with 5e to fully understand the changes, and how they alter the class since 3.5.

I have read this 3.5 answer about the flexibility of the Bard, but seeing as how this question is about 5e, I am not sure if anything significant has changed.

Best Answer

The 5e Bard is a more powerful character than the 3.5e Bard, but not nearly as good at buffing his allies.

To start with, the 5e Bard gets full spellcasting all the way up to 9th level spells, where the 3.5e Bard got 2/3 spellcasting, topping out at 6th level spells. This is, in some ways, the biggest change, and it has a huge impact on the Bard's power and flexibility. Their spell list doesn't have the raw power or versatility of the Wizard, but it's pretty solid. And, of course, they get to add stuff to it. More on that later.

The next thing they get depends on your choice of College. Valour Bards get Extra Attack, and a bunch of proficiencies, that put their fighting ability roughly on par with that of a Ranger. Lore Bards, on the other hand, get bonuses to skills that make them arguably the best skillmonkeys around. This honestly isn't a huge change; the 3.5e Bard was already a pretty reasonable fighter and a great skillmonkey.

What's really different is the Bard's specialty, inspiring allies. This has, in all honesty, gotten substantially weaker. Instead of continual effects that boost all nearby allies, the Bard now has the ability to give a single ally a one-off boost. It's slightly more flexible in that the ally can choose which roll to add it to, and the Colleges add even more uses, but it still amounts to far less of a boost. What's even worse is that, for the most part, the Bard can no longer affect themselves with their inspirations.

Spells can help alleviate this, but buffing spells have also gone under the hammer. For the most part, because of concentration, you can only have a single buff spell active at a time. And, just like your inspiration, most of the good buff spells have been changed to only affect a single target.

What these changes amount to is a character who no longer sits at the back buffing, not just because they have other options, but also because they can't. The dedicated buffer is no longer a valid playstyle. You can give an ally inspiration every turn, but that still leaves your actions free. You can use your first turn to cast a buff, but you won't be able to do that on later turns.

Luckily, there's some good news coming. The 5e Bard has a unique and extremely powerful feature that I haven't talked about yet. Magical Secrets allows a Bard to select a few key spells from any spell list. This ability is incredibly important, because those spells (especially the first 2 you get) can shape your character's playstyle. The most infamous example is Swift Quiver. This is a 5th-level Ranger spell, which means it's normally only accessible at level 17. However, a Bard can learn it at level 10. This allows a Valour Bard to make 4 attacks per round with a bow at level 10, long before a Fighter or a Ranger.

So, what's the takeaway? (Or, if you're that way inclined, tl;dr)

The 5e Bard is a versatile and powerful character who can excel at most things they set their hand to. With a bit of work, so was the 3.5e Bard, but relative to other classes, I think it's fair to say the Bard is more powerful in 5e than it was in 3.5e. On the other hand, the 3.5e Bard is much better at buffing his allies than the 5e Bard.