[RPG] Do the rebuilding/retraining rules from PHB II allow “bootstrap” qualification, creating legal characters that could not be made without these rules

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The rebuilding/retraining rules (PHB II, p. 192) allow a player character to retroactively change character choices, including feats and class levels. The rules include some restrictions that look like they're trying to discourage you from trading away your prerequisites after using them to qualify for something. For instance, from the section on class levels (p. 197):

If reallocating your character's class levels disqualifies him from a prestige class in which he already has one or more levels, he loses the benefit of any class features or other special abilities granted by that class.

Other options (feats, substitution levels, class feature choices, etc.) include similar restrictions – you must demonstrate not only that you qualify for the thing you're retraining into, but also that you still qualify for the other parts of your build (or else you lose access to their abilities, as above).

However, some character options can supply their own prerequisites. For instance, the Nar Demonbinder prestige class (Unapproachable East, p. 25) requires the ability to cast 4th level spells, but also provides the ability to cast 4th level spells.

Would the following sequence of steps be legal?

  • Qualify for Nar Demonbinder by obtaining some way of casting 4th level spells (say, 7 levels of Wizard)
  • Take your first level of Nar Demonbinder (thus being able to cast 4th level spells as a Wizard, but also different 4th level spells as a Nar Demonbinder)
  • Rebuild away your Wizard levels into something else, losing the 4th level spellcasting that you originally used to qualify for Nar Demonbinder
  • Keep your Nar Demonbinder abilities, because you still meet its prerequisites (by casting 4th level Nar Demonbinder spells)

Best Answer

No, that does not work.

1. What you want to do is rebuilding, which is designed as an exceptional in-game process.

The rules on retraining allow only substitution levels to be retrained. If you want to exchange class levels, this is a rebuild. The rebuild has tough prerequisites that do not allow it to be incorporated into a normal character creation process:

In essence, you are altering reality in order to rewrite your characters personal history. Therefore, to accomplish a character rebuild your PC must complete a significant and challenging quest. (PHB II, p. 196)

The rules forsee a quest for changing 1/5 of all class levels. Your DM would have to approve your character having completed several quests before entering the game. This is clearly not a regular character creation process.

2. Entering this build by rebuilding would not gain Nar Demonbinder class features.

If reallocating class levels disqualifies him for a prestige class in which he already has one or more levels, he loses the benefit of any class features or special abilities granted by that prestige class. (PHB II, p. 196)

The point is that "qualifying" for a prestige class means fulfilling its prerequisites before taking it:

...the first step of advancement is always choosing a class. If a character does not meet the requirements before that first step, that character cannot take the first level of the prestige class. (DMG, p. 176)

Essentially that means you have to meet the prerequisites of the prestige class without taking into account the class features of the class itself. You could not buy skill points with a level of prestige class to enter it. And you cannot take a spell level into account that you only get by virtue of the prestige class itself. These prerequisites (that is why they are called prerequisites) have to be met without the prestige class to qualify for the prestige class. If you change your build so you do not longer meet the prerequisites, you do not qualify for the class.

The example given in the PHB II illustrates this:

For example, a 7th level dwarf fighter could not trade a fighter level for a dwarven defender level, since his remaining fighter levels would not allow him to meet the +7 base attack bonus requirement for that prestige class. (PHB II, p.197)

This character would still end up with base attack bonus +7, because Dwarven Defender 1 lets you gain base attack bonus +1, but not without the prestige class itself. Thus, if you trade away your wizard levels by rebuilding you no longer qualify for Nar Demonbinder.