[RPG] How does creating two Eldritch Cannons with one action work for an Artillerist artificer?

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When an artificer uses its action to create two Cannons, how can it easily expend a spell slot between the creation of the first and second cannon?

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The Artillerist Artificer's 15th-level Fortified Position feature (Eberron: Rising from the Last War, p. 60) states:

You can now have two cannons at the same time. You can create two with the same action (but not the same spell slot)

How would this same action creation work? Could you, for example, create one cannon then use your bonus action to cast misty step to a different location and then place the second cannon, with both summonings being considered 1 action?

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This is a poorly worded effect, but according to this tweet from Jeremy Crawford,

Eldritch Cannon does let you spend a spell slot to create the cannon. That slot must be spent specifically on the cannon, not on something else.

So, according to this, the intended use of this ability is that when you make the second cannon, it counts as building a new one, so as described in their eldritch cannon ability,

Once you create a cannon, you can’t do so again until you finish a long rest or until you expend a spell slot of 1st level or higher

So, with this and the tweet at our usage, it would seem that the ability is intended to instead say that when you create a second cannon you must expend a spell slot to do so, or take a long rest.

The second scenario is correct: Spell slots = resources

Once you create a cannon {using an action+tools}, you can't do so again until you finish a long rest or until you expend a spell slot of 1st level or higher

The key to this is the "again", the "until" and the "expend" - there is a resource cost for summoning a subsequent cannon after the free "first cannon of the day." The artificer either waits for a long rest to get another free cannon, or, the artificer expends a spell slot to get another cannon before that long rest recharges the free cannon. The creation of a cannon does not take two actions; - the Artificer spends a spell slot to create the next cannon(s). (If after "or higher" they had added "to create one" it would have better matched how they phrased it in the UA - Jeremy Crawford's tweet indicates that they intended it to work the same way as in UA).

The subsequent cannons resemble the Ranger "Primeval Awareness" class feature ability in that the character expends a spell slot to activate a class feature.

Primeval Awareness
Beginning at 3rd level, you can use your action and expend one Ranger spell slot to focus your awareness on the region around you. For 1 minute per level of the spell slot you expend, you can {snip}...

_{Sadly for the Ranger, they don't get the first use for free as the Artificer does. We now initiate a mass protest against WoTC for not loving the Ranger class}

A spell slot is used to create the next* cannon(s).

Cannons last for an hour or until the cannon reaches 0 HP.

It disappears if it is reduced to 0 hit points or after 1 hour. You can dismiss it early as an action. (RftLW, p. 59)

The order of operations would play out like this:

Create cannon (first cannon of the day). (Uses an action, no spell slot consumed)
Other things happen. (Likely combat, or time expires ... )
Same adventure day, you need another cannon, or, you want to change the kind of cannon you have (there are three kinds).
Expend a spell slot to create the next one

You could run yourself out of spell slots if you go cannon-happy

A likely reason for subsequent cannons costing resources: prevent the creation of multiple cannons that cost no resources. Compare case 2 with case 1, in terms of resources:

Case 1: 1 cannon + as many cannons as spell slots + all those spell slots cast as spells.
Case 2: 1 cannon + as many cannons as spell slots versus

Case 1 is a significant resource boost for one adventure day for 6th level Artificer, for example

Designer Commentary/Clarification from Jeremy Crawford

Artillerist artificer's Eldritch Cannon feature says, "Once you create a cannon, you can’t do so again until you finish a long rest or until you expend a spell slot of 1st level or higher." In response to a question about whether spending a spell slot on anything else is sufficient to create a new cannon, Crawford replied: "Eldritch Cannon does let you spend a spell slot to create the cannon. That slot must be spent specifically on the cannon, not on something else." (From this tweet)

Experiential notes:

That's how we did it using the Artillerist from the final Artificer UA. This feature is roughly unchanged from that version of Artillerist.
IMO, this can be very powerful, but if the whole campaign is in Eberron, with its elevated power levels, it probably won't be that big of a deal.
The text from the last Artificer UA; this points toward some design intent.

Arcane Turret
{description} It disappears if it is reduced to 0 hit points or after 10 minutes. You can dismiss it early as an action. When you summon the turret, you decide which type it is, choosing from the options on the Arcane Turrets table. {more actions} . You can summon a turret once for free and must finish a long rest before doing so again. You can also summon the turret by expending a spell slot of 1st level or higher.

¹ A Protector cannon can be a lot better than cure wounds ...

You mentioned cure wounds as the spell, so I'll point out that the Protector cannon is often a better use of a level 1 spell slot than cure wounds.

Fun Protector Cheese: Set up a Protector with an action, and keep loading up your allies with 1d8+Int THP each round as a bonus action. Even if the Artificer burned a spell slot to do this, that's potentially a lot more HP than a "cure wounds" (1d8+Mod) or a healing word (1d4 +mod) cast once. With three allies, you can offer each of them 1d8+mod of damage prevention (THP) each round for the cost of a bonus action. And, if you have two fights within one hour, you keep covering them in THP to mitigate damage taken - but you didn't have to use any more spell slots. Note that the THP also applies to the cannon, which will reduce the chances that it gets reduced to 0 HP during the fight. (Until you get to higher levels)

[RPG] Is the Artillerist artificer’s Eldritch Cannon a carryable weapon

The rules say the cannon can be held in one hand, but it doesn't say you can use your action to use its ability. So you can have it in your offhand and use your bonus action to use its ability as written and still attack with a weapon or spell with your main hand. But you can't use your action to use its ability again using the Attack action, because its specific description tells you it takes a bonus action to use, and it doesn't involve a weapon attack.