[RPG] If the Initiator Level is high enough, can I take Stances of a level higher than 1st when I take the first level in a martial adept class

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Usually, a martial adept’s Initiator Level is equal to his class level, plus his class level in any maneuver-granting Prestige Classes, plus half his level in all other classes.

This means a Something 8/Martial Adept 1 has an Initiator Level of 8/2 + 1 = 5.

Initiator Level 5 is the only requirement for a number of maneuvers and stances. The rules clearly state that you may select any maneuver you meet the prerequisites for, so a Something 8/Martial Adept 1 could select bonecrusher and stone dragon’s fury, both 3rd-level, for his maneuvers for his first class level.

Generally speaking, stances work the same as maneuvers: you need a certain Initiator Level to select them (and possibly other prerequisites). A character with Initiator Level 5 could use the Martial Stance feat to select a 3rd-level feat, even if that character had no levels in any martial adept class.

However, each of the three martial adept base classes has this line:

Stances Known: You begin play with knowledge of one
1st-level stance from […]

Does this mean they cannot select stances above 1st-level when they take their first class level, even if their Initiator Level is higher?

Best Answer

Yes, you can take higher-level Stances at your first class level

There are several issues here.

First of all, this line is in the form of a descriptive statement, not a prescriptive one: it describes the usual case of things, rather than defining a limitation on your options. I would argue that it is there solely to help players new to the book, who are creating their first martial adept from level 1.

After all, a great many statements are made in Wizards’ products that assume you are single-classed, and starting from ECL 1 is the default assumption for the game. The Wizard’s Specialization feature says you cannot cast spells from your banned schools – but you actually can, you just need to get that ability from another class.

In addition, the line does not say “first-level martial adepts are restricted to 1st-level Stances.” It says that they “begin play” with a single 1st-level maneuver. A multiclass character taking his first level in a martial adept class after ECL 1 is not “begin[ning] play,” so the statement does not apply to him.

For that matter, taken literally, that would imply that any martial adept has only a single 1st-level Stance when the game starts – even if he started at level 20 and took Martial Stance feats repeatedly. Clearly, this is not the case, which is only further evidence that the line is not a rule, but a hint or (supposedly) helpful description.

Finally, if you rule that it does prevent higher-level Stances from being taken for your first class level, it flies in the face of the entire Tome of Battle design pattern. Tome of Battle was intentionally designed to mesh well with previous books and existing characters – that is why the Initiator Level rules were written the way they were in the first place.

Every single other method of learning any maneuvers – Stances included – allows those with higher Initiator Level to “skip” lower-level maneuvers – because Wizards finally understood how important it was to the system that characters be getting level appropriate class features, even if they multiclass. For instance, a 12th-level character, with no martial adept levels, still has an Initiator Level of 6, and can take Martial Study or Martial Stance to get a 3rd-level maneuver or stance, respectively.

This single supposed exception does not make any sense in light of the context that Tome of Battle provides, does not have the form of a prescriptive rule, and does not actually specify your first martial adept level but rather whether or not the character is “beginning play,” which really does not make much sense if taken literally.

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