[RPG] The Hiding Rules Contradict Themselves. What Can I Make Of This


Page 177 "Hiding" says:

You can't hide from a creature that can see you.

Page 192 "Hide" says:

When you take the Hide action, you make a Dexterity (Stealth) check in an attempt to hide, following the rules in chapter 7 for hiding. lf you succeed, you gain certain benefits, as described in the "Unseen Attackers and Targets" section later in this chapter.

Page 195 "Unseen Attackers and Targets" says:

When a creature can't see you, you have advantage on attack rolls against it.

One of these sections must be false. If page 192 is true, and you gain certain benefits from succeeding on the hide action, then page 195 is false, because the only benefit listed is given to players who are unseen, not players who are hidden.

If page 195 is true, and you gain advantage for being unseen, then page 192 is false, because being unseen is a prerequisite for hiding, and succeeding or failing the Hide action stealth check would be irrelevant to whether you gain advantage.

Is there any way to determine which of these are intended?

Best Answer

The new errata changes*

"You can't hide from a creature that can see you."


Using Ability Scores
Hiding (p. 177).
The DM decides when circumstances are appropriate for hiding. Also, the question isn’t whether a creature can see you when you’re hiding. The question is whether it can see you clearly.

Which effectively changes the line on 177 to

"You can't hide from a creature that can see you clearly."

With the errata there are no contradictions.

Lets go through this step by step.

On page 177, you can attempt to hide if nobody can see you clearly. Which means you can be seen, before you attempt to hide.

On page 192, it then says that when you hide, you gain the benefits of being unseen. (As listed in the section titled: Unseen Attackers and Targets) That means that when hidden, those who have a lower passive perception check than your stealth roll, can't see you. (Or those who try to search for you and fail) There are no benefits to being hidden other than becoming Unseen. Being Unseen, provides a few benefits.

On page 195, it then lists the benefit of being unseen by those who were unable to detect you, and that is that you can now attack them with advantage.

There are no contradictions.