[RPG] Two weapon fighting, but using offhand for AoO only

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Okay, so we are switching DMs to give myself a break from it, and I'm rolling up a level 8 bard to support the current group.

I'm going with whip mastery and improved/Greater Trip and everything else involved, plus the usual bard stuff.

So, I'm not worried about doing damage, I want to help control the battlefield and buff my allies, So, provoking AoO for my allies from Greater Trip attempts seems like a good idea, maybe it's not, but I'm gonna try it.

My question is this, if I carry a main hand weapon (rapier, shortspear, etc; not completely decided yet) and just hold a whip in my offhand, I understand that I won't incur TWF penalties because I'm not actually attacking with my off hand weapon, right?

If that is true, then a follow up question/scenario is this: If I only use the whip during AoO, will this incur TWF penalties on either my main hand attacks or the off hand?

I have a player that suggests that since I am not attacking with the whip, the whip doesn't actually threaten any spaces, therefore I cannot take advantage of AoOs with the whip. (I think I'm clear on the threat range and attack range of whips, with my feat selections I'll have a 10ft radius of threat [including adjacent squares], with a 15ft reach for attacks.)

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My question is this, if I carry a main hand weapon(rapier, shortspear, etc. Not completely decided yet) and just HOLD a whip in my offhand, I understand that I won't incur TWF penalties because I'm not actually attacking with my off hand weapon, right?

This is correct.

"If you wield a second weapon in your off hand, you can get one extra attack per round with that weapon. You suffer a –6 penalty with your regular attack or attacks with your primary hand and a –10 penalty to the attack with your off hand when you fight this way. You can reduce these penalties in two ways. First, if your off-hand weapon is light, the penalties are reduced by 2 each. An unarmed strike is always considered light. Second, the Two-Weapon Fighting feat lessens the primary hand penalty by 2, and the off-hand penalty by 6." PFSRD

If simply holding a weapon in an off-hand were to trigger the Two-Weapon Fighting rules, then many characters who wield shields, carry torches, or hold a pole would be subject to those penalties without utilizing the weapon to attack.

If that is true, then a follow up question/scenario is this: If I ONLY use the whip during AoO, will this incur TWF penalties on either my main hand attacks or the off hand?

No.

"If you wield a second weapon in your off hand, you can get one extra attack per round with that weapon. You suffer a –6 penalty with your regular attack or attacks with your primary hand and a –10 penalty to the attack with your off hand when you fight this way. You can reduce these penalties in two ways. First, if your off-hand weapon is light, the penalties are reduced by 2 each. An unarmed strike is always considered light. Second, the Two-Weapon Fighting feat lessens the primary hand penalty by 2, and the off-hand penalty by 6."

Taking an Attack of Opportunity is not an extra attack in the round - it is an attack generated by the opponents movements or actions.

I have a player that suggests that since I am not attacking with the whip, the whip doesn't actually threaten any spaces, therefore i cannont take advantage of AoOs with the whip.

Provided your whip using character has the feat Improved Whip Mastery, (which I do assume, given your statement: "I'm going with whip mastery and improved/Greater Trip and everything else involved, plus the usual bard stuff") then yes, you are able to threaten an area with your whip.

"You threaten all squares into which you can make a melee attack, even when it is not your turn." PFSRD

Even when you choose to not take an Attack of Opportunity, the square is still threatened.

Further, even if you did attack with both of your weapons in a Full Attack action, you would not suffer the Two-Weapon Fighting penalties on Attacks of Opportunity, per the PFFAQ.

"Two-Weapon Fighting: If you use this on your turn to attack with two weapons, do you also take that penalty on attacks of opportunity made before the start of your next turn?

No. The penalties end as soon as you have completed the full-attack action that allowed you to attack with both weapons. Any attacks of opportunity you make are at your normal attack bonus."

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