[RPG] What’s so bad about Seeker anyways

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I remember being unimpressed about playing a Seeker, and the handbook certainly regards them as a challenge,

What core mechanic is such a poor fit? Are there any standard remediations (choice of feats, items, or class features) that fix these mechanics, besides "Play a hunter?"

From a purely subjective-memory point of view, I didn't feel that they performed very well as a controller. It didn't (this was 3 years ago?) feel like they could clear minions, cause people not to go places, or move people around particularly well. Contrast invoker: fear my minion clearing and status wrath; wizard: fear the fact that I'm a wizard and can do anything I want; psion: fear my debuffs; etc. There just wasn't anything for enemies to fear about the seeker.

Best Answer

Anything a Seeker can do another class can do better. Much better.

Here are the trends, there are exceptions, but they are rare. I will compare Seekers to real controllers, like Wizards, Invokers and Psions, WIP for brevity. Hunters are comparable to Seekers.

Survivability

Seekers have more HP and lower AC than WIPs (Wizards and Psions have to take a feat to achieve this). Seekers have one of the best Will in the game, and this is the most important non-AC defense.
These mostly cancel each other out, and does not even matter if the defender does his job right.
If the enemy gets to you however, WIPs mostly have Staff Expertise, but a Seeker has to invest in getting away. A minor Shift is nice, but does not help in difficult terrain or in a grab.

Control

Seekers create lots of difficult terrain. This is good in low heroic, but after that you meet many creatures with Reach, Flight, Teleport, Forced Movement, or simply Shift 4. For them difficult terrain does not really matter.

Level of control

Seekers mostly do soft control, like "the target takes Dex damage if it moves". First, the damage is too low to matter after low heroic. Second, even at low levels the choice is the DM's, so if you have one with a good tactical instinct, you do not achieve anything above a Ranged Basic Attack.
Compare this to the hard control of the WIP: "the target can not shift/move, or is prone, blind or dazed."

Number of targets

WIPs annoy lots of targets, or shut down one entirely. Seekers mildly annoy one.

Defenses targeted

Seekers attack AC, that is mostly the highest defense. In paragon you can get the Deft Blade feat, to make Basic Attacks target Reflex, but the Light Blade limitation hurts your damage. WIPs have access to lots of nice attack powers vs Will out of the box.
Of course Seekers have the proficiency bonus of their weapon to compensate, so this is supposed to be equal. In practice however, WIPs have the flexibility of attacking the Will of a Brute, or the Fort of a Skirmisher.

Conclusion

If you are so inclined, you can build a comparable single-target Controller from a Figher, Warlord, or Warlock, while staying much better at defending, leading or striking.

Damage

The only redeeming factor of the Seeker. With a Hungry Gouge you can do respectable damage.
If you go for precision, Superior Crossbow is also great, and you do not need those minors anyway.

In paragon you can get the great Primal Eye feat, to add your secondary attribute to RBAs. But this is accessible to anyone with a multiclass feat, I have seen a Sorcerer with it.

Feat Support

Aside from Primal Eye, Seekers have no feat support worth mentioning. Invokers and Psions have great class specific feats, not to mention Wizards.

Overall

A Genasi Wizard with the Elemental Empowerment feat and a Lightning Staff will do comparable damage and better control, against twice or three times as many targets as a Seeker.

With the Seeker a heavy optimizer can achieve the level of usefulness of a vanilla Wizard. Sometimes it is a good thing, in a non-optimizing party this can be used to avoid the tension between the optimizer and others.

Because of the math of DnD4e (one monster for one player), you are only an asset to your party if you are stronger than the average monster. For this reason do not give a Seeker to a beginner.

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