Electrical – Designing a 40A Max Continuous EV Circuit for a Sub-Panel

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I got my hands on a 40A EV "charger" that I'd like to attach to a sub-panel in the garage. (I put "charger" in quotes because the cord with the bump is just a fancy relay; the charger is in the car). Can #8 NM in-wall wire handle 40A continuous?

The standard reply may be to size up the circuit to 50A. However there are other considerations that make me hesitate.

  • The sub-panel has a 60A breaker. Putting a 50A circuit on there would eat up too much of the budget.
  • I plan to convert the gas water heater to a hybrid electric water heater in the future. While that normally sips power, the backup resistive element can pull ~20A.
  • The sub-panel services the kitchen, living room, and a bedroom. Normally the total load is under 10A, but worst case it could double (microwave, stereo, TV, space heater…).
  • If total load becomes a problem, I could schedule charging during off-peak hours.

It seems better to limit the charger circuit's max draw to 40A instead of 50A. Is there a breaker that allows 40A max continuous but not more, not even peak? The sub-panel is an Eaton CH load center.

Attached is a photo of the main panel with 225A service breaker. The two 60A sub-panel circuits are at the top left.
Main panel 225A

Best Answer

The term you're looking for is EVSE, or Electric Vehicle Service equipment. You are correct; it is a relay, computer-controlled GFCI and a computer that talks to the charger on the car, including telling the car the current it is allowed to draw. This is a "soft setting" and is configured in the EVSE at commissioning time, either through DIP switches or in a special commissioning screen.

The proper charger inside the car listens to the EVSE data and charges at the rate authorized. If the car ignores this, the EVSE senses it and cuts power.

Therefore you are not under any obligation to have an EVSE be a particular size. You can simply determine the surplus ampacity available, and set the EVSE per Code requirements given that ampacity.

Start with a Load Calculation

using the NEC approved procedure for doing those. That is a science-based formula that determines probable loads for a given dwelling.

You do two Load Calculations, actually. One for the house's entire service, and the other for the loads inside the subpanel. Once you have finished that, you know how many amps of "headroom" you have to give to an EVSE.

For instance if you calculate to 144A on a 200A service, you have 56A of spare service amps. If you calculate to 24A on a 65A subpanel, you have 41A spare subpanel amps. This would call for a 40A EV charging circuit off the subpanel.

Provision the breaker and wires on this basis.

So continuing the 40A example, you wire the circuit with a 40A breaker and 40A wires (that being #8 copper or #6 aluminum).

At these large sizes there is nothing wrong with aluminum. There was an issue with 1970s small branch circuit wiring, but that isn't applicable here.

Then, derate the EVSE 125% / 80%

Any EVSE circuit requires a 125% derate, NEC 625.14. So you take the circuit size and multiply by 80% (the inverse of 125%). For instance, if you have a 40A EV charging circuit, you take 80% of it or 32 amps. This will be the actual charging rate.

Note that 32A x 125% = 40A.

They're not "singling out" EVs. This 125% / 80% thing is a requirement on any continuous load. NEC also imposes this on many other kinds of appliances that are arguably not continuous, to silence such arguments.

Now, this is configured into the EVSE. The EVSE manual will have a procedure for setting the maximum charge rate allowed; follow the procedure (a NEC 110.3 requirement). For instance, Tesla EVSEs have you set the breaker size (40A) not the actual-charge-rate (32A) and the EVSE figures out the 80% thing on its own.

The gory details: so much more than a relay.

If you want to be picayune, the EVSE doesn't actually limit current. The EVSE sends a signal (a square wave on the Control Pilot pin) which tells the EV how much it is allowed to draw. (32A in our running example). The EV onboard charger detects the signal and chooses to limit the current draw to less than that.

So the EVSE just passes on the message to the car, but the EVSE is the only place the charge rate can be set.

That is on purpose, as UL will not approve any setup where the consumer could change the max charge rate in software. It has to be "crack open the EVSE and change DIP switches" or some equally elaborate procedure.

It also means any car can be plugged into any EVSE and the right thing just happens.

If you have a limited amp allocation you want to dynamically share between two EVSE's, they have tech for that called Share2 that also works slick.