Learn English – Does the phrase “present company excepted” exclude the speaker as well as the listener

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A common idiom is, when speaking to someone, to raise a general criticism and then amend it by saying "present company excepted". This is taken to mean that the criticism is not intended to apply to the listener.

Does this phrase also express that the speaker, too, is to be excepted from the criticized group? Perhaps taking the etymology too seriously, when one speaks of "company" he usually means those who are with him, but not himself (one does not "accompany oneself"). Then again, situations where this phrase are used don't generally include explicit criticism of the speaker.

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Present company excepted or present company excluded is something that we say which means the criticism we have just made doesn't describe "present company", where "present company" includes both the listener and the speaker.

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